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		<title>By: Yvonne Camesi</title>
		<link>http://blog.catalogchoice.org/2008/10/19/frustrated/comment-page-2/#comment-9396</link>
		<dc:creator>Yvonne Camesi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay: I&#039;m not employed either with CC.org or anyone else - but I started my &quot;real job&quot; late Sept 07 with getting off 100 catalogs per week.  (The amount of time, and postage is something else and your child would probably be paying for his college tuition!) I joined CC.org in late Jan 08 via the Today Show minutes after their viewing of Catalog Choice. (CC.org, you need a sequel on Today) 
I still get the oddball catalog because the catalog industry is in dire straits too and it&#039;s a hard pill.  Occasionally, I will send them a letter including my rants about their &quot;privacy policy they print&quot; and their &quot;occasionally we exchange mailing info&quot;. But I always update my info with CC.org.
Be patient, and maybe, catalog companies will really see the vast advantages of online shopping.  
If you allow your child to make these calls, please make sure he/she understands to be nice to the customer service rep. 
Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay: I&#8217;m not employed either with CC.org or anyone else &#8211; but I started my &#8220;real job&#8221; late Sept 07 with getting off 100 catalogs per week.  (The amount of time, and postage is something else and your child would probably be paying for his college tuition!) I joined CC.org in late Jan 08 via the Today Show minutes after their viewing of Catalog Choice. (CC.org, you need a sequel on Today)<br />
I still get the oddball catalog because the catalog industry is in dire straits too and it&#8217;s a hard pill.  Occasionally, I will send them a letter including my rants about their &#8220;privacy policy they print&#8221; and their &#8220;occasionally we exchange mailing info&#8221;. But I always update my info with CC.org.<br />
Be patient, and maybe, catalog companies will really see the vast advantages of online shopping.<br />
If you allow your child to make these calls, please make sure he/she understands to be nice to the customer service rep.<br />
Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://blog.catalogchoice.org/2008/10/19/frustrated/comment-page-2/#comment-9386</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am giving up on CC.  I received 7 more catalogs yesterday, some of which I had used CC to opt out of 5 months ago.  For every catalog I seem to avoid, another one or 2 takes it place.  It seems like I am merely pushing dirt from one of the street to the other and then pushing it back. 

As of last night, I have started paying my 12 year old $1 per catalog to call companies and ask to be removed from the mailing list.  That can not be any less effective than my experience here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am giving up on CC.  I received 7 more catalogs yesterday, some of which I had used CC to opt out of 5 months ago.  For every catalog I seem to avoid, another one or 2 takes it place.  It seems like I am merely pushing dirt from one of the street to the other and then pushing it back. </p>
<p>As of last night, I have started paying my 12 year old $1 per catalog to call companies and ask to be removed from the mailing list.  That can not be any less effective than my experience here.</p>
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		<title>By: Debora</title>
		<link>http://blog.catalogchoice.org/2008/10/19/frustrated/comment-page-2/#comment-9345</link>
		<dc:creator>Debora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will a couple of other thoughts and strategies here. For  the folks that are getting repeat catalogs after an initial request. 

Studies have shown marketers that they get a &quot;lift&quot; in response if they repeat an offer in a given amount of time I think its two or three weeks). So if you saw an offer and set it aside thinking you would get around to ordering it eventually, you&#039;re more likely to remember if you get the offer again. So DMers sometimes purchase a list for &quot;unlimited&quot; mailing. They pay a multiple of the list rental to mail the list as many times as they want within a given time frame. I suspect a lot of the holiday period mailings employ this strategy. You will not be removed from the stream once the names are added to the file. So be patient.

Second, if you suspect a cataloger got your name from a rented list, it&#039;s worth a phone call to find out where it came from and contact the renting party. If you call the Marketing Manager&#039;s office with the key code from your catalog, they can tell you where they rented from. You can then call the source of the list and ask them to remove your name from their rental data, and then ask for the name of their list manager. Contact the list manager and tell them you have instructed x, y and z to remove your name and have them confirm that its been done from their data as well.

There is a lag while information is transmitted and updated and the best thing you can do is try to get off a list BEFORE it gets sold. Mention that you are on the DMA&#039;s mail preference list, since most reputable mailers and list managers DO want to comply with the DMA program, this may help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will a couple of other thoughts and strategies here. For  the folks that are getting repeat catalogs after an initial request. </p>
<p>Studies have shown marketers that they get a &#8220;lift&#8221; in response if they repeat an offer in a given amount of time I think its two or three weeks). So if you saw an offer and set it aside thinking you would get around to ordering it eventually, you&#8217;re more likely to remember if you get the offer again. So DMers sometimes purchase a list for &#8220;unlimited&#8221; mailing. They pay a multiple of the list rental to mail the list as many times as they want within a given time frame. I suspect a lot of the holiday period mailings employ this strategy. You will not be removed from the stream once the names are added to the file. So be patient.</p>
<p>Second, if you suspect a cataloger got your name from a rented list, it&#8217;s worth a phone call to find out where it came from and contact the renting party. If you call the Marketing Manager&#8217;s office with the key code from your catalog, they can tell you where they rented from. You can then call the source of the list and ask them to remove your name from their rental data, and then ask for the name of their list manager. Contact the list manager and tell them you have instructed x, y and z to remove your name and have them confirm that its been done from their data as well.</p>
<p>There is a lag while information is transmitted and updated and the best thing you can do is try to get off a list BEFORE it gets sold. Mention that you are on the DMA&#8217;s mail preference list, since most reputable mailers and list managers DO want to comply with the DMA program, this may help.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://blog.catalogchoice.org/2008/10/19/frustrated/comment-page-2/#comment-9309</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sophie and Patricia: 

You may be getting more catalogs because companies are already starting to mail for the holiday season - please enter the unwanted ones here and we&#039;ll continue to communicate your requests.  We&#039;ve also begun listing contact information for each company if you&#039;d like to contact them directly.  If you email me at paul@catalogchoice.org, we can go through the catalogs you are still receiving and I can give you specific advice about each one.

Debora, thank you for the insightful comment above.  Our merchant license states that we provide participating merchants with our members information solely for the purpose of fulfilling and confirming your mail preference request; and merchants are not allowed to rent, sell or trade the names we provide.  We DO instruct participating merchants to add names that are not on their house list (prospects) to a Do Not Mail list.  

Please stick with us as we work to fulfill your requests! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sophie and Patricia: </p>
<p>You may be getting more catalogs because companies are already starting to mail for the holiday season &#8211; please enter the unwanted ones here and we&#8217;ll continue to communicate your requests.  We&#8217;ve also begun listing contact information for each company if you&#8217;d like to contact them directly.  If you email me at <a href="mailto:paul@catalogchoice.org">paul@catalogchoice.org</a>, we can go through the catalogs you are still receiving and I can give you specific advice about each one.</p>
<p>Debora, thank you for the insightful comment above.  Our merchant license states that we provide participating merchants with our members information solely for the purpose of fulfilling and confirming your mail preference request; and merchants are not allowed to rent, sell or trade the names we provide.  We DO instruct participating merchants to add names that are not on their house list (prospects) to a Do Not Mail list.  </p>
<p>Please stick with us as we work to fulfill your requests!</p>
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		<title>By: Sophie</title>
		<link>http://blog.catalogchoice.org/2008/10/19/frustrated/comment-page-1/#comment-9308</link>
		<dc:creator>Sophie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great idea, but doesn&#039;t work. After almost a year of trying to opt out of all these catalog deliveries, I seem to have even more. Please come up with a better plan to reduce our waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea, but doesn&#8217;t work. After almost a year of trying to opt out of all these catalog deliveries, I seem to have even more. Please come up with a better plan to reduce our waste.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia Wakim</title>
		<link>http://blog.catalogchoice.org/2008/10/19/frustrated/comment-page-1/#comment-9306</link>
		<dc:creator>Patricia Wakim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to eliminate the 10 catalogs I receive everyday. HELP!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to eliminate the 10 catalogs I receive everyday. HELP!</p>
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		<title>By: Yvonne Camesi</title>
		<link>http://blog.catalogchoice.org/2008/10/19/frustrated/comment-page-1/#comment-9291</link>
		<dc:creator>Yvonne Camesi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Debora!  I&#039;ve been suspecting such for a long time even by those that provide our credit info, so DMA is not the only culprit.  We should not give DMA all the  blame or credit. Many of those I have really really spoken to at catalogs previously worked in the finance industry such as banks and gave me the same awakening.
Last year I wrote to the credit bureaus because I got my report and found lots and lots of &quot;hits&quot; from companies I never bought from. I even wrote to those catalog companies.
My letters to all mailings do indicate in bold &quot;permanent&quot; removal and &quot;do not share/rent or sell my mailing info.&quot;
 It still happens. 
I would like to add one more thing, when one reads the fine print on any mailing concerning the exchange of mailing info to others, it&#039;s already been done because the catalog one is looking at has sat somewhere before USPS delivers it.
Does this make us consumers feel we are on the auction block? Sold?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Debora!  I&#8217;ve been suspecting such for a long time even by those that provide our credit info, so DMA is not the only culprit.  We should not give DMA all the  blame or credit. Many of those I have really really spoken to at catalogs previously worked in the finance industry such as banks and gave me the same awakening.<br />
Last year I wrote to the credit bureaus because I got my report and found lots and lots of &#8220;hits&#8221; from companies I never bought from. I even wrote to those catalog companies.<br />
My letters to all mailings do indicate in bold &#8220;permanent&#8221; removal and &#8220;do not share/rent or sell my mailing info.&#8221;<br />
 It still happens.<br />
I would like to add one more thing, when one reads the fine print on any mailing concerning the exchange of mailing info to others, it&#8217;s already been done because the catalog one is looking at has sat somewhere before USPS delivers it.<br />
Does this make us consumers feel we are on the auction block? Sold?</p>
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		<title>By: Debora</title>
		<link>http://blog.catalogchoice.org/2008/10/19/frustrated/comment-page-1/#comment-9290</link>
		<dc:creator>Debora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to add three comments, as a former list broker in the &quot;industry&quot;. As far as Equifax (and TRW) and so on, these companies sell, through sister companies) something called compiled lists, which are created from public sources, like home purchase records, birth records, etc, as noted in the Time article. They&#039;ve been doing this since this lists were sold on index cards. In fact, the credit card tracking information grew up from the mailing list compilation businesses, not the other way around. Fear not, the information does not flow out from the credit records, but is collected from other very public sources. 

The source of these &quot;new&quot; catalogs you are getting, especially when the name is varied a bit, is likely from these compiled sources, or purchased from other catalogs. Although you should never have customer number unless you&#039;ve ordered something from the cataloger. A tip for the form letter someone drafted. Add a sentence requesting that your name be added to their permanent &quot;do not mail&quot; file for inclusion in their suppression file for future &quot;merge/purges&quot;. This is a list of names they remove when they receive them from OTHER lists. 

Third, you should be aware that catalogers keep an &quot;expires&quot; file, which they sell to other catalogers. It is possible that when you are removed from their own list, you are being added to this file and passed along, as a way of retaining some value. CC.org should get the catalogers promise that they won&#039;t sell or trade your name as a former customer either. You should also be aware that some mailers, not just catalogers, don&#039;t feel obligated to honor a &quot;remove my name from your list&quot; request beyond a certain period (say 12 or 24 months) and may not keep you on a merge/purge suppression file beyond that period either. There&#039;s not much you can do about that except start over with them.  So much of the process is automated, you just cannot expect human judgement to be applied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to add three comments, as a former list broker in the &#8220;industry&#8221;. As far as Equifax (and TRW) and so on, these companies sell, through sister companies) something called compiled lists, which are created from public sources, like home purchase records, birth records, etc, as noted in the Time article. They&#8217;ve been doing this since this lists were sold on index cards. In fact, the credit card tracking information grew up from the mailing list compilation businesses, not the other way around. Fear not, the information does not flow out from the credit records, but is collected from other very public sources. </p>
<p>The source of these &#8220;new&#8221; catalogs you are getting, especially when the name is varied a bit, is likely from these compiled sources, or purchased from other catalogs. Although you should never have customer number unless you&#8217;ve ordered something from the cataloger. A tip for the form letter someone drafted. Add a sentence requesting that your name be added to their permanent &#8220;do not mail&#8221; file for inclusion in their suppression file for future &#8220;merge/purges&#8221;. This is a list of names they remove when they receive them from OTHER lists. </p>
<p>Third, you should be aware that catalogers keep an &#8220;expires&#8221; file, which they sell to other catalogers. It is possible that when you are removed from their own list, you are being added to this file and passed along, as a way of retaining some value. CC.org should get the catalogers promise that they won&#8217;t sell or trade your name as a former customer either. You should also be aware that some mailers, not just catalogers, don&#8217;t feel obligated to honor a &#8220;remove my name from your list&#8221; request beyond a certain period (say 12 or 24 months) and may not keep you on a merge/purge suppression file beyond that period either. There&#8217;s not much you can do about that except start over with them.  So much of the process is automated, you just cannot expect human judgement to be applied.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://blog.catalogchoice.org/2008/10/19/frustrated/comment-page-1/#comment-9288</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just reviewed your account.  Blair is part of Orchard Brands.  They joined the service less than 6 weeks ago.  They have now pledged to honor your request. The catalogs will stop soon.

Chuck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just reviewed your account.  Blair is part of Orchard Brands.  They joined the service less than 6 weeks ago.  They have now pledged to honor your request. The catalogs will stop soon.</p>
<p>Chuck</p>
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		<title>By: Dolores Konieczny</title>
		<link>http://blog.catalogchoice.org/2008/10/19/frustrated/comment-page-1/#comment-9287</link>
		<dc:creator>Dolores Konieczny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My sister received another Catalog from Blair.  That makes a total of three, since July 12, 2008.  The latest one was received today and was confirmed in one minute.  All three of these catalogs have a different customer # and Code #.  Who is fulling Who.  I believe that your organization is doing a great service to the general public.  However, it seems some of the catalogs that have confirmed the opt-out, as sending there catalogs as described above.  Keep up the good work and hopefully this problem will be resolved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sister received another Catalog from Blair.  That makes a total of three, since July 12, 2008.  The latest one was received today and was confirmed in one minute.  All three of these catalogs have a different customer # and Code #.  Who is fulling Who.  I believe that your organization is doing a great service to the general public.  However, it seems some of the catalogs that have confirmed the opt-out, as sending there catalogs as described above.  Keep up the good work and hopefully this problem will be resolved.</p>
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