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Looking back and looking forward

It is the purpose of this post to report on how we’re doing, to address a fundamental misconception pertaining the service, and to give a sneak peak at the exciting things ahead.

Looking back: Prior relationships

In the comments of a recent Catalog Choice blog post, some people have critically argued that Catalog Choice did not have relationships with merchants prior to launching our service, and therefore misled our consumer members. We’d like to set the record straight.

It is most certainly a fact that Catalog Choice did not have a relationship with the majority of merchants when we launched. The misconception, however, is that the existence of such relationships at the time of launch was intended or even necessary. It was neither. Catalog Choice was designed to work *regardless* of the existence of a relationship with any particular merchant.

1. It works with a relationship. For merchants who want to establish a relationship with Catalog Choice, by signing up for a free account, we offer the ability to download their customer opt-out data in a computer-friendly CSV format. In addition, such merchants can look forward to a roadmap of additional services planned to add value and enhance the consumer/merchant relationship.

2. And it works without a relationship. Some merchants, for any number of reasons, will chose not to have a relationship with Catalog Choice. That is fine. For these merchants, we forward our member’s opt-out requests to them by email or by delivering a password protected file on a CD. In that way, Catalog Choice simply acts as a delivery agent.

We would never criticize a merchant for choosing not to work with Catalog Choice in the sense of signing up for a merchant account. That’s completely up to them.

On the other hand, we do expect all merchants to honor opt-out requests made by our members. Merchants may not refuse opt-out requests delivered by the United States Postal Service (a delivery agent), or called/faxed in via the phone company (a delivery agent), and therefore they should not refuse opt-out requests delivered by Catalog Choice on behalf of consumers.

(As a side note, the DMA argue that, by not requiring a credit card number like them, we’re not sufficiently validating the identity of our members. Well, we use industry standard security measures and email validation; the same used by the US Do Not Call service.)

Where we stand today: It’s working (despite the best efforts of the
DMA)!

We can assuredly report to you that CATALOG CHOICE IS WORKING. Over 160 merchants have signed up, and that number is growing daily. Presently, over 675,000 consumers have confirmed the need for a service like Catalog Choice, as well as their frustration with existing services. We have received thousands of emails from members reporting that after years of ineffective attempts to use the DMA and other services, their mailboxes are finally becoming uncluttered.

At the same time, there are strong forces at work against Catalog Choice, namely the Direct Marketing Association (DMA). Shortly after launch, the DMA sent a vicious letter, full of false accusations, to all member merchants urging them to, “Just Say No!” to Catalog Choice. Our organization, along with an entire nation of consumers, was
shocked and left wondering why the DMA, who proclaim to be “committed to the advancement of consumer choice”, would take such a stance.

On reflection, however, it’s not really a surprise. The DMA sits squarely in the center of an industrial operational model that has ineffectively serviced both merchants and consumers for the past 35 years; a model which Catalog Choice is now positioned to change.

(It must be said, however, that Catalog Choice has even had a positive effect on the DMA. They’ve recently launched a service with a name coincidentally fashioned after our own, and have found a way to live without that dollar they’ve been charging you all these years. But they do still want your credit card number.)

Looking forward: A better world for consumers, merchants and the
environment.

We have a vision of eliminating waste by fundamentally improving the way an industry works, by:

* Putting choice and control in the hands of the consumer.
* Facilitating a merchant/consumer relationship that was never before possible.

We’ve accomplished the first step: Over 675,000 consumers are enjoying the ease-of-use and convenience of centralized mail preference management, having registered over eight million requests.

And now we begin the second step. Consumers have said they want more choice, and a finer level of control. They have made it clear that catalogs and commerce are not the problem; waste is. Merchants have just as much desire to eliminate waste as consumers. But they don’t want to be excluded from the relationship and conversation with the
consumer, as that relationship has often been earned over the years through good faith and delivered value.

In support of these compatible interests, here’s a sneak peek at what’s in store:

1. Just last week, we launched the first of a series of relationship- enhancing features, by allowing merchants to upload a photo of their catalogs, and customize some text that is shown on the opt-out screen, thereby allowing them to participate in the “conversation” during the opt-out process. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

2. Very soon, consumers will be able to manage what they *do* receive, in addition to what they *don’t* receive, as we introduce the ability to opt-in to catalogs, and ultimately manage the frequency with which you receive catalogs. Since launch, this has been the number one requested feature from both consumers and merchants, and we’re excited to let you know it’s going to happen!

3. In the famous last words of Steve Jobs, there’s “Just one more thing!”. That service, however, is just a little too important to risk unveiling at this time.

And all of these future enhancements will be delivered in a way that supports the fundamental objectives of our service; improving our lives, while eliminating waste.

So, there really is a win-win-win scenario — for the consumer, merchant and the environment — and Catalog Choice is dedicated and committed to delivering it. Thanks for your participation, and, as always, please keep the feedback coming.

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79 Responses to “Looking back and looking forward”

  1. I think will be great if Catalog Choice will add links to existing merchant’s opt-out pages for unconfirmed and refused companies (for example: RedcatsUSA brands (metrostyle, Chadwick’s, La Redoute, etc); Valpak, Valassis, etc).

    Definitely it’s no so convenient as use Catalog Choice but much more convenient then calling customer service departments.

    Eugene Zelenko on March 22nd, 2008 at 7:26 pm
  2. Would love the ability to scale back the frequency that certain catalogs are sent. There are some catalogs I enjoy receiving…just not every month (e.g. Horchow). Why not have the ability to request for certain catalogs to be sent quarterly or biannually?

    Elizabeth Favaro on March 22nd, 2008 at 7:46 pm
  3. This post cheers me up. Thanks.

    I’m not planning to opt into anything myself. But that’s a great feature for everyone who wants it, and I’m all in favor of it. The opt-in concept is a lot more palatable when it’s administered by a nonprofit organization. Good for you, for taking the lead!

    Tracy Glomski on March 23rd, 2008 at 10:00 am
  4. Can we fine the companies that still send their catalogs in spite of opting out requests? Newport News refused to honor my request through your service. I called them several times asking to stop sending the catalog and I still receive the catalog.

    Tanya Khovanova on March 24th, 2008 at 10:06 am
  5. For those who like me have spent the time to opt out of catalog companies that continue to maintain you on their mailing lists, contaact the applicable State Attorney General’s Office and inform them that the company in question is not honoring their mail preference clause and ignoring their assurance to not share, sell or rent your name. Go Catalogchoice.org. You’re helping!

    Yvonne Camesi on March 24th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
  6. I have been using catalog choice since November. So far, I have not seen any results. I’m still receiving the same number of catalogs. In fact, I have picked up a few more. Once you enter a catalog, it takes 10 weeks before you can enter an infraction. Then it takes another 10 weeks before you can enter another infraction. Meanwhile, you have received at least two to four more of the magazines. It’s frustrating.

    Bonnie J Mills on March 24th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
  7. I like this site and I’m hopeful for good results.

    I’d prefer that my government recognize my right to privacy and aggressively enforce that right. Business would not be allowed to impose without my explicit permission.

    Of course, business would not be allowed to participate in the political system in any way, especially with money.

    Johna on March 24th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
  8. One word — AWESOME!!! Keep up the good work!

    Wendy Spirekq on March 24th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
  9. Thanks for all of the important and inspiring work that you are doing. The volume of mail that I received has been reduced dramatically and last week I only received one catalog - down from perhaps 20 per week pre-catalogchoice.org I hope that lots of articles, letters to the editor and TV shows promote your site around Earth Day.
    As you gear up to add new initiatives to your site, have you considered branching out to enable people to reduce the non-catalog junk mail that they receive? It would be wonderful to be able to do that by checking another box on your page.

    Beth on March 25th, 2008 at 6:48 am
  10. I appreciate the efforts made to date and plans for the future.

    To date, my wife and I have opted out of 38 catalogs. Of those, two were refused, seven confirmed, and 29 unconfirmed. I still receive those seven catalogs marked as confirmed.

    I am hopeful future plans will result in better response from vendors.

    Phil H. on March 25th, 2008 at 9:21 am
  11. As a new “customer” I have hopes that your efforts will turn the catalogue world upside down.

    Two things that aggravate me a great deal are: 1) the frequency companies mail out supposedly redone catalogues and 2) the various “themed” catalogues (home, outdoor etc.). I have hopes that this can be resolved in the future.

    And, I have hopes that someday merchants will pay more attention to the requests of the consumers!

    S.G. on March 25th, 2008 at 10:03 am
  12. I’ve been using your service since Nov.2007 and have opted out of over 90 catalogs. Many are still “unconfirmed” and still sending. Some have changed my name or customer number. I’ve called some of the refused or emailed them to opt out. While I think this is a great service it takes a lot of time to monitor - meanwhile I’m still getting bucketloads of catalogs. Merchants should be made aware that customers are not opting out of all catalogs (there are still 20 or so that I like to receive). I’m opting out of the ones I’ve never ordered from and never will and I’d like to help the environment. Do merchants think we actually browse these unwanted catalogs before they go into the recycle bin?

    Dorothy Friedrich on March 25th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
  13. I applaud your efforts in the direction of “opt-in.” I would love a way to communicate to merchants that I want a catalog at a “catalog mailing address” which might be different from the billing address on my credit card and/or the shipping address on my order. I certainly do not want 3 catalogs (which is occasionally what happens now) Better yet, how about a >post card< (with a pointer to a web site) to advertise that sale? That takes even less paper!

    Donna on March 25th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
  14. I DON’T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE HERE, BUT I AM NOW GETTING MORE CATALOGS THEN EVER. WOODWORKING MEN’S FITNESS, MEN’S BOOKS!
    I AM FEMALE AND CAN’T UNDERSTAND WHERE ALL THESE CATALOGS ARE COMING FROM. ANYONE HERE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM?

    CITIZEN on March 25th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
  15. I was pleased to find out about Catalog Choice in Nov 2007, & being optimistic, recommended it to several friends. As of today (late Mar 2008) I’m still getting all the catalogs I did before, including some that are supposedly confirmed : p . This is a great idea, but I’m not impressed so far. I don’t have the time to contact all these companies directly, so my recycle bin is still full.

    Barbara on March 25th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
  16. Melissa,I love you’re idea ,but I live in Uruguay and usually send me the ASTM Standars from USA and Sweden,and I don’t know how to do to avoid this.i was looking your site but…. is only for american people???? Thanx.

    laura on March 26th, 2008 at 3:24 am
  17. Like many of the previous posters, I applaud CatalogChoice.org’s efforts, and believe strongly in its mission.

    It would be great to know more about the process that’s followed. In the above blog posting you mention that CatalogChoice will mail, email, fax, or electronically forward its members requests. After nearly 2+ months here are our stats:

    * Confirmed (2)
    * Unconfirmed (22)
    * Refused (2)
    * Processing (0)
    * Show all (26)

    The two confirmed catalogs happened very quickly, so I would guess that those merchants are part of your merchant program.

    For all the other requests, 22/26 = 75% of them, I have absolutely no idea what CatalogChoice is doing.

    Were the requests passed on by mail? Email, fax?

    I am willing to write each one of these companies, but chose to use your service because of the incredible convenience that it offers.

    I’d like to believe that you all are doing the best you can with an industry that lives by the law of large numbers (mail more, sell more). However, I echo some of the sentiments that your marketing seems to be a bit better than the operational results. (Mainly the news article that stated you had only signed up 100 merchants who were agreeing to honor opt-out requests).

    Perhaps some additional information could close the gap (for example adding a field to show when/how requests were conveyed to the merchants, [mail, email, CD, etc.]).

    I wish you well with your efforts.

    Best,

    Chris

    Chris on March 26th, 2008 at 10:32 am
  18. I agree with other posters who have been using this service for many months and seen NO reduction in catalogs. I am one of them. I have with relish informed the companies that have refused to accept catalog choice that I would never consider purchasing anything from them. But in the meantime my mailbox keeps filling up.

    It’s extremely easy with the new changes to the website to update information and report infractions but I’m feeling the need to do something more. I would like you to provide more information on reporting these continuing infractions to our State Attorneys General. If that’s all we have left then some of us will happily use it.

    Nina on March 26th, 2008 at 11:52 am
  19. We used to shop extensively via catalog for many years, and like most people have shifted to online shopping. Our USPS letter carrier is a little guy, and I felt so guilty watching him stagger up our driveway with a big handful of catalogs every day - especially when so many of them went straight from the mailbox into the recycle without ever making it into the house. Since Oct 2007 we’ve declined 129 catalogs (some more than once for different name/customer#/address combinations), with 26 confirmed, 100 unconfirmed and 3 refused (2 of whom we’ve contacted directly). As many here have already noted, it will likely take months of data entry on your part before you will notice any decrease in catalogs, but eventually it does start happening. Our decrease in volume took 5 months to become noticeable. I appreciate that CatalogChoice seems committed to adding new features/functionality to the site; my wishlist for new features would include a way to display infraction history, and a way to show catalog relations, e.g., my wife gets bombarded with catalogs from Woman Within and Roamans, which are the same company, same return address, and same customer #. We also are having issues with several catalogs that confirm removal under one customer #, and then continue sending to the same name/address under a new customer #. They need to be flagged as “egregious violators”, or something!

    Bill on March 26th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
  20. This is my 2nd blog msg in a week! I am with those who have made serveral attempts directly to the cust services of catalog companies. I have called(since September 2007 and written (300 letters since January 2008) only to get the assurances of 1-2 mailings. Then it starts all over again with a variation of my name or my husbands name. Catalog companies need to have the ability to delete addresses no matter what the name is if the consumer requests permanent deletion. So far, we have gone from over 100 mailings a week at two addresses to almost 40 in a month since September for both. When I started researching DMA and other suppliers of my name and there are others, DMA wants to charge you if you mail in your requests- on website requests, they want your credit card #. Why should we have to pay for deletion when they are the ones making a profit selling consumer info? Since late January, I have input over 493 opt outs, 56 confirmed, 21 refused. I do applaud Catalogchoice because they are helping and need those in my position to support them. Here’s what I have done: Save the back mailing label off catalogs and annotate when you received it and called or written the companies. Keep track of your mailings. When you call specifically state that they not Share, Rent or Sell your name. Do the same when you write. The center inside of the catalog sometimes has their “MAIL PREFERENCE” (small print) policy that they may “Occasionally exchange your mailing info but not your email address” I save this clause and attach it to the label. Try to research if there are “parent companies” such as Redcats that have several different catalogs. It’s been a nightmare to find out there are several major catalogs derived from one main company - especially when the catalogs come from the same city and either the address is the same or a PO box is slightly off. If you contact the applicable State Attorney General’s Office with a consumer complaint, you’ll be ready! This action was really my last resort when there were several assurances from one company that our names were removed and they hung up on me four times and I felt they were not honoring their “Mail Preference” policies. To get State Attorney General (SAG) info, go to Google, type in the state name and government and go from there to get the SAGs contact info. Consumers should not have to have their requests for privacy ignored and put up with a blatant waste of paper. I’ll kindly get off my soapbox for now.

    Yvonne Camesi on March 26th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
  21. I HAVE JUST SPOKEN TO THE CATOLOG “AS WE CHANGE”. I HAD TO CALL THEM TO OPT OUT. THE REPRESENTIVE SAID THEY DON’T HAVE BUSINESS WITH YOU. NO!
    THEY HAVE BUSINESS WITH ‘ME’!
    I ASKED THEM TO NOTIFY THEIR COMPANY TO WORK WITH YOU.
    THE SAME RESPONSE, “THEY DON’T DO BUSINESS WITH YOUR ONLINE OPT OUT. THAT’S MY SOAPBOX FOR TODAY.
    WHEN WILL THEY GET A CLUE?

    CITIZEN on March 26th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
  22. After lots and lots of work to enter over 100 different catalogues, there has been no observable change in the number of catalogues that come to my house. Few pay attention and catalogue choice is a great idea that is not working. Just as there is a national don’t call registration which does work, there should be a similar organization that the catalogue senders would be compelled to comply with. Catalogue Choice is just not effective

    H Sattert on March 26th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
  23. Although I think that being able to opt in to some catalogs and choose frequency of delivery sounds good. However, because of the poor response to stopping delivery of those I don’t want, I’d be afraid of showing any interest whatsoever!!

    Lisa on March 26th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
  24. I am all for the opt in if it gets merchants to cooperate. I am frustrated that I have entered 64 catalogs, only have 16 confirmed, and not that spring is here I am buried under more catalogs than ever, including from merchants who ‘Confirmed’ months ago (LANDS END).

    I’ll keep banging catalogs into this thing in the hope that it starts to work, but it hasn’t yet.

    KNC on March 26th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
  25. Thanks for those tips, Yvonne. I am now documenting everything.

    Two of the “refusers” at my Catalog Choice account are part of the Cornerstone/IAC family of brands. They have both sent me dozens of catalogs over the years, failing to acknowledge my opt-out requests through the DMA mail preference service, Catalog Choice, and now direct e-mail contact with their customer service departments. Their actions, in my opinion, are inconsistent with the privacy statements at their own websites and with several of the statements listed below.

    For anyone who’s curious, here’s the precise wording of the Direct Marketing Association’s Guidelines for Ethical Business Practice. This text comes straight from pages 14 and 15 of a pdf I downloaded from the DMA website. This is the October 2007 edition.

    the-dma.org/guidelines/EthicsGuidelines.pdf

    COLLECTION, USE, AND TRANSFER OF PERSONALLY IDENTIFIABLE DATA Article #31

    This article is applicable to all media, and includes special requirements for mailers.

    • A marketer should provide existing and prospective customers with notice of an opportunity to modify or eliminate direct marketing communications to be received from that company. This guideline applies to senders of marketing offers.

    • The notice should:
    > appear in every marketing offer and
    > be easy for the consumer to find, read, understand, and act upon

    • A consumer’s request should be honored:
    > within 30 days or as required by law, whichever is the shorter time period
    > for a period of at least three years from the date of receipt of the request

    • A marketer should periodically provide existing customers with notice of its policy concerning the rental, sale, or exchange of data about them and of the opportunity to opt out of the marketing process. All such opt-out requests should be honored promptly.

    • An in-house suppression request from a consumer should be interpreted as meaning that the consumer also wants to opt out of the transfer of his or her personal information.

    • Where an affiliate, division, or subsidiary markets under a different company or brand name, and is perceived as separate by the consumer, each corporate entity or brand should separately honor requests received by it.

    • A marketer should establish internal policies and practices that assure accountability for honoring requests, in compliance with this guideline, and at no cost to consumers. Should those policies substantially change, the marketer has an obligation to inform consumers of that change prior to the rental, sale, or exchange of data, and to offer consumers an opportunity to opt out of the marketing process at that time.

    • For each prospecting list that is rented, sold, or exchanged, the applicable DMA Preference Service name-removal list (e.g., Mail Preference Service, Telephone Preference Service, E-Mail Preference Service, and Deceased Do Not Contact list) should be employed prior to use. A member should use the most recent monthly release of the MPS file before contacting prospective customers.

    • In addition to adhering to these guidelines, a marketer should cooperate with DMA when requested in demonstrating compliance with the Commitment to Consumer Choice.

    • Upon request by a consumer, a marketer should disclose the source from which it obtained personally identifiable data about that consumer.

    Tracy Glomski on March 26th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
  26. “by allowing merchants to…customize some text that is shown on the opt-out screen, thereby allowing them to participate in the “conversation” during the opt-out process”

    Conversation? CONVERSATION? The only conversation that should be taking place is as follows:

    Customer: Don’t send me your catalog.

    Merchant: OK.

    Anything more is disingenuous.

    Bill on March 26th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
  27. To Bill:

    You could try to opt-out from Roamans (for example: http://www.roamans.com/catalog/cat_unsub_not_loggedin.aspx) and Woman Within catalogs on their web sites: link to unsubscribe buried in “email/catalog request”.

    Eugene Zelenko on March 26th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
  28. I hope that people will stick with this process because it is a change that is needed, and like all change, these things take time. I’m going to keep after it, since every piece of data I generate strengthens CC’s case and position. I also am making it clear to any merchant I contact for noncompliance that my dollars will be spent elsewhere and furthermore will dissuade friends from shopping there as well if they do not act accordingly.

    Josh on March 26th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
  29. Joined today and I hope this works, but there is only one real way to stop this barrage of junk mail; raise the price of their mailings to the same postal rates we individuals pay, 41 cents for the first ounce plus extra weight. I know it will never happen, but the truth is our tax dollars support the cheap postal rates the catalog companies enjoy.

    Ricky on March 27th, 2008 at 10:26 am
  30. I agree with Josh -it will take some time and one day it will sink in with the merchants. I.e. the 2 catalogs that I went SAG with, had immediately refused my Catalog Choice requests. One morning after three weeks of writing to the Pennsylvania SAG, I noticed my requests were processing and later became confirmed. I also got a letter from PA with an apology letter from the company a couple of days later. Thanks Tracy for your info. I pulled off DMA’s Merchant complaint form a couple of weeks ago and am sitting on it-I still am waiting for the rest of those catalogs from parent companies to arrive. Anyway, Merchants will start getting the point that many consumers have awoken especially with catalogchoice advocating with us!

    Yvonne camesi on March 27th, 2008 at 11:19 am
  31. Since early Nov 2007 I have been opting out of many catalogs. About 260 to date. Also have suggested over 50 catalogs that are not on Catalogchoice’s list. I have written to them several times that I have never received a single email to tell me that they have added a catalog. Twice they said that they were snowed under with requests. The last itme they didn’t answer. Many of these suggestions go back to Nov and Dec of 2007. Something is not working!
    Only about 40 of the opt out requests have been “honored”, but even some of these still send me catalogs. I still get lots of new catalogs and keep opting out. But, I no longer recommend Catalogchoice to friends as I don’t see it working. I wonder if catalog people are selling my name to these new catalogs as they are seeing that I am a live item. I buy almost exclusively on line and wish most of the catalog people would go away.

    Dave on March 27th, 2008 at 11:58 am
  32. Dave,
    Like you I am still getting lots of new catalogs and wondering the same thing - are they selling my name because I have opted out on Catalogchoice? Maybe I’m paranoid but there does seem to be some cause and effect going on here.

    Dorothy Friedrich on March 27th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
  33. To Eugene,

    Regarding your suggestion to Bill to opt out of Roaman’s directly through their website, I did that very thing about 4-6 weeks, and I’m afraid that it may have generated more mailings. I did the same thing with Woman Within (which is under the same ownership as Roaman’s) & experienced the same result. I don’t recommend trying it unless you’re prepared to be bombarded with more catalogs.

    Karen on March 27th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
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  35. Personally, I’ve had very good results through CatalogChoice in spite of the fact that all but one of the merchants has confirmed my opt-out. (That was Lillian Vernon, btw.) I receive far less catalogs than I used to.

    CatalogChoice hasn’t been around *that* long, so why don’t we give them a chance before giving up on them, okay? ;-) It’s going to take a little while, but I think they are definitely making a difference. :-)

    Karen on March 27th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
  36. Oops! what I meant to say was that all but one of the merchants has NOT confirmed my opt-out. Lillian Vernon confirmed, but all my other opt-outs are unconfirmed. Sorry for the miscommunication.

    Karen on March 27th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
  37. I’ve commented elsewhere in the blogs about this, but I became so disgusted by the continuing bulk in my mailbox that I just manually went from merchant to merchant, requesting (via email or weblink) to be removed from all catalog mailings. Almost to a one, I received a message within minutes or hours confirming my removal and directing me to the DMA if I wanted more action in withholding my name from mailing lists. All were pretty darned cheerful about it, too.

    I signed up with Catalog Choice when it was featured on the Today show, but the lack of response from the majority of the 50+ catalogs I entered into this system really has me doubtful about CC’s ability to make a difference. It’s a good idea, but as long as DMA has a stranglehold on the business, I doubt that it alone is going to stop the onslaught in our mailboxes.

    I’ll leave my info up here on the site, but if the catalogs stop, I’ll know it’s because of my own efforts (and considerable time spent) that they did.

    Stella on March 27th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
  38. To Karen:

    I had received some of the RedcatsUSA brands catalogs (metrostyle, Chadwick’s, La Redoute, Roamans) in past and opted out both on Catalog Choice and their web sites. There are not new catalogs yet (for ~ 1.5 months). I crossed a fingers :-)…

    Eugene Zelenko on March 27th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
  39. FYI: DMA is not the only supplier of mailing info. Through my “journey” to get off catalogs and other mailings, I have spoken with several informative cust svc reps and oh brother, consumers beware. Banks, credit bureaus, large department stores and businesses love to share mailing info. Recently one cust svc rep informed me of credit bureaus and told me to write to the 3 major ones for a credit report and request they not share my name. One sent me a cr rpt and many of the catalogs that I kept getting were on there. I’ve written them and indicated immediate removal. Most of them were also on my refused list. As I’ve said previously, consumers need to firmly request that catalogs not share info and they need to remove addresses vs names off their mailings. Suggestion to those who might want to try this, ask the catalog companies who is the supplier of their mailing lists, many will respond they don’t know and few will explain their process. Many companies use several mailing list suppliers other than DMA. Truly, one of the main problems is the Mail Preferance policies that catalogs maintain that is hurting us consumers and preventing the mailings to stop. Lastly, whenever you receive a request for credit card, insurance and magazine offers, write them a nice little request to delete your name and notify the supplier of your mailing info and mail it back to them in their postage paid self addressed envelope! With the members of catalogchoice growing and there have been over 9 million opt outs I do beleive, catalog companies will be forced to drastically change their system to accomdate the consumer - eventually.

    Yvonne Camesi on March 28th, 2008 at 10:10 am
  40. Adding to what Yvonne wrote…

    Any time you purchase an item with a credit card at a bricks-and-mortar store, it’s possible that your data will be added to mailing lists. The magnetic strip on credit cards contains multiple lines of information, typically the card holder’s name and address, at the bare minimum. If you’re shopping at the retail location of a multichannel merchant, you may suddenly find you’re receiving catalogs, as well.

    The type of information which may be collected varies according to state law and the card issuers’ policies. Wherever legal, however, the store can use third party information services like Experian to append your name/address with additional data such as your annual income and shopping preferences.

    I wish I had known that when I first began using a credit card in 1990. I now try to pay cash everywhere I go.

    Tracy Glomski on March 28th, 2008 at 11:33 am
  41. This is for Bill - Roaman’s & Woman Within are just a couple of the many Redcatsusa are under. Does your wife get Brylane, Chadwicks, Metro Style, King Size, La Redoute, CO Boutlet, One Stop Plus and Jessica London? I’m still quite green but I’m learning. Please make sure when calling catalog companies that you inquire if that catalog is the only one they issue. They don’t like to mention the others……

    Yvonne Camesi on March 28th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
  42. On many websites (such as for losing weight) you can track your own progress in a very detailed way. Can you set your site up so that when a catalog is delivered one can track each catalog and the day it was received as well as the various numbers printed on the label? There is a source code number and other numbers that I can’t identify what they are for, but no customer number. That way, a list could be generated and printed from home to send to the SAG’s office with the details, like Yvonne mentioned in her post earlier. I think combining your advocacy with consumer rage could speed up the change all of us want who sign up for your service. I think there has to be legal and financial ramifications for change to happen and the more data that can be generated, the better. I would also like ideas for creative ways to innundate the DMA with collected catalogs sent back to them at their cost. Since catalogs are harrassing me, I’d like to do the same to them.

    Karen Kolberg on March 29th, 2008 at 7:29 am
  43. I’m encouraged by the comments that Catalog Choice is working. It’s not always so apparent. Even merchants that have confirmed acceptance of my opt-out are still sending me catalogs after 4 or 5 month. On a positive note, although I haven’t been keeping empirical data, it does seem like I’m getting less catalogs than 5 months ago when I started using Catalog Choice.

    J Ulbright on March 29th, 2008 at 7:55 am
  44. Karen, I started doing my own tracking with those catalogs that keep changing the variation of my name by setting up a spreadsheet with info so if it comes down to going SAG, I can cut and paste all the info to support my consumer complaint. This month has been great, I’ve received about 50 catalogs compared to 400 in late 2007 - but it’s not pre-holiday season. I think it would be quite interesting for the Today Show to see the other side of the coin in the results of consumers using catalogchoice. I’m going to continue with them because before I found out about them in late January 2008, I thought that I was in a minority that did not want the mountain of catalogs coming in. Now I know I’m not alone.

    Yvonne Camesi on March 29th, 2008 at 9:52 am
  45. I signed up with Catalog Choice in October 2007 and have seen some reduction in the catalogs that come to the house. The glitch in the system, from what I can see, is coming from merchants themselves and the DMA. Even though there are hundreds of thousands of us signed up at Catalog Choice, we represent a very small percentage of what merchants and the DMA see as customers or potential customers. Even though many merchants and the DMA talk a big game of “customer first,” their real motivator is “dollars first.” They must be getting a good return on their direct marketing efforts, and they are unlikely to change until there is a substantial effect on their bottom line. That’s just my opinion, based on watching the lack of cooperation from merchants and the DMA.

    I think the actual number of humans very disatisfied with the catalog dump into our mailboxes, and the sharing of our information, is much much greater than the membership of Catalog Choice. I’m guessing that what led to the Do Not Call Registry is exactly what is now happening with direct marketing.

    It’s frustrating to see merchants ignoring us, but I think they will come around eventually, probably more to avoid legislation regulating or stopping their efforts than any other reason. The work of Catalog Choice and individuals is all having an effect… let’s just hang in.

    Mary on March 29th, 2008 at 10:28 am
  46. Well, it was with high hopes that I signed on to Catalog Choice, but must admit that I am more than a little anxious after reading all of the above blogs.

    However, as a few pointed out, this group is relatively brand new and needs time to get things moving. We all know how this catalog game works, so it should come as no surprise that it is going to take some doing to get them to ‘listen’ to us.

    In any event, what has anyone lost by giving Catalog Choice a chance? I, for one, am pleased to have a one-stop option for placing the no-more-catalog requests.

    In addition, this group seems to be growing fast and could end up making a real difference!!! I believe we all should stress the environmental aspect with the merchants every time we have contact with them.

    Onward and upward, Catalog Choice!

    Ruth

    Ruth Crawford on March 29th, 2008 at 10:55 am
  47. If people are concerned that Catalog Choice isn’t working for them, I would say the following:

    (1) Give it time. Just because you contact Company X and opt out, it doesn’t mean you’re off their list tomorrow. They prepare their catalogs weeks in advance, so you’ll probably receive at least one more catalog before they opt you out.

    (2) Use the Mail Preference Service (MPS). Most of the big catalog mailers are members, and as such, they are required to check their address lists against the MPS once per month (it used to be once per quarter, but they strengthened this requirement in 2007). For those of you who are signed up with the MPS and still receive catalogs, that doesn’t necessarily mean that the MPS isn’t working. The MPS only applies to “prospect” mail, which is mail the catalog company (or other company) sends you when you haven’t actually bought anything from them or “established a business relationship.” For example, if you purchased something from Company X a few years ago, and then you sign up with the MPS, Company X can still send you catalogs because you’ve established a business relationship with them! You have to contact them DIRECTLY to get off their “consumer” list, which is completely different than their “prospect list.”

    (3) Notify the company. DMA members are required to keep “in house suppression lists” which, unlike the MPS, apply to ALL mailing lists (not just the prospect list). The DMA is supposedly making this easier for all of us, because their new privacy guidelines (they call them “guidelines,” but members are required to abide by them) require their members to include an opt-out notice on every single solicitation mailpiece (catalogs, credit card offers, etc). So, if you get a catalog you don’t want to receive, look for the opt-out notice.

    (4) Notify DMA. If you KNOW a company is a DMA member and is not complying with your opt-out request and/or registration with the MPS, DMA has a division that receives complaints and will presumably take action to remedy the problem. The DMA does not want a Do Not Mail list, and if you let them know that one of their members isn’t playing by their rules, it’s in their interest to address the problem.

    Notwithstanding the previous points, I encourage everybody to keep entering catalogs into the Catalog Choice website. The DMA recently changed the MPS to more closely resemble Catalog Choice, so they are aware of the “competition.” Keep putting the pressure on them…more and more DMA members are bucking their association’s advice and cooperating with Catalog Choice every day.

    This is not the time to give up on this website…let’s show a little patience and help Catalog Choice help us regain control of our mailboxes!

    anon on March 29th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
  48. I have sent several comments this week. Since last September, I spent a lot of time and expense not only trying to get off unwanted catalogs but trying to help others that I know have less energy and ability to do this. As I’ve said before, catalogchoice is one I applaud. I have looked at their Archives and their mission is right on target. Through my contacting individual catalogs whether in writing or by phone, the 1-2 mailings expanded to changing a variation of names and addresses, a nightmare. Why do consumers have to join DMA pay and release credit card info to an actual source that blantantly share our mailing info to get off repeated unwanted mailings? Is this blackmail? Their changes have been too slow for many consumers and at a cost -especially when many catalogs that are their members state they “occasionally” share your info - without your permission or knowledge! Also these companies print many issues in advance Additionally they don’t delete by address - which is what needs to be done. We need catalogchoice as an advocate to help us because DMA wants money or credit card info to clean up their mess. I’m going forward and not looking back and not joining DMA. This blog is really not a competition between catalogchoice and DMA but a consumer wanting wanting their privacy respected. as kindly requested and catalogs companiew are ignoring.

    Yvonne Camesi on March 30th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
  49. I have noticed a HUGE difference in the number of catalogs I’ve received. It’s so noticeable because most had my mother-in-law’s name on them. I was still receiving them 3 years after she passed away!!! Yes, I could have called each and everyone of them but it would have taken forever. This site was so quick and convenient.

    Jeannie on March 30th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
  50. The volume of catalogs we’ve received in spring 2008 has declined compared to spring 2007. I’m quite certain of that, although I can’t precisely quantify the difference because I didn’t try weighing our household waste until autumn of last year.

    It does appear that at least one company has even removed me from their 12-month house list, successfully honoring my opt-out through Catalog Choice without any further prodding from me. Bless you for understanding, VivaTerra. I’ll be back to shop with you again. I’ll click through the Bravo Merchants page the next time I visit your website, so your marketing team can attribute my purchase with ease and clarity.

    The points articulated by the anon commenter above are technically correct and great in theory. I’d be thrilled if the MPS worked that well in practice. However, the system is broken. I’ve identified a minimum of 26 *prospecting* DMA members who mailed this past holiday season despite my MPS enrollment. To my mind, it is likely that one or both of the following have happened:

    (1) Unbeknownst to me, my MPS enrollment could have expired when the DMA switched from a five-year period to a three-year period last autumn. I thought I had signed up only two or so years ago, but it might’ve been as long as three. I admit I didn’t write it down. If that’s the case, then it’s not the merchants’ fault that they were sending me prospecting catalogs, since the DMA could’ve dropped my name from the suppression list. I’m not sure, and that little whiff of doubt is the reason I haven’t filed any complaints yet. (That doubt will be gone by October 2008, when the merchants will have had a full nine months to implement my renewed enrollment, and there will be no more excuses). The DMA made this change so quietly that I can’t find a reference to it at their website. I have read a DM News article from October 2006, though, which confirmed that registration once meant a five-year opt-out. My husband and I joke about this: “Wait, did we say five years? We meant three! No, oops, that was a typo, we need you to enroll every week, please! Have your credit card ready!”

    (2) The sheer number of third party mailers/list services/coops/whatnot is probably introducing lots of confusion and errors into the system. That’s why I want I want to know the suppliers of the mailing lists—so I can go take up the issue with them directly. Without that information, it’d be hideously inefficient to contact all of them personally. How many are there? Here’s a copy-and-paste link which provides a clue:
    multichannelmerchant.com/crosschannel/lists/listing_forward/index1.html

    In any case, I will continue to attempt to manage the catalogs I receive through whichever paths ultimately prove most effective. Sadly, I no longer have to worry about a few of the prospecting businesses, due to attrition. Of the aforementioned 26 companies, three are now already out of business, bankrupt, or reportedly in severe financial distress.

    Tracy Glomski on March 31st, 2008 at 12:34 pm
  51. DOROTHY,
    I AGREE I AM NOW GETTING TWICE AS MANY CATALOGS. WHENEVER I DID ORDER FROM ONE, I SPECIFICALLY SAID “DO NOT GIVE OUT MY NAME, SELL IT, OR RENT IT OUT.” NOW I HAVE NOTICED 3 CATALOGS BEING SENT WITH MY NAMED SPELLED WRONG.
    A CO-INCIDENCE? NOT LIKELY.

    KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK ON THIS SITE. PERHAPS SOMEDAY THE GOVERNMENT WILL PASS A LAW MAKING THIS AND OTHER SITES A LEGAL WAY FOR MERCHANTS TO STAND UP AND NOTICE WE HAVE RIGHTS TOO.
    THANK YOU.

    CITIZEN on April 1st, 2008 at 12:53 pm
  52. I am pleased to report that I have now received responses from both of the Cornerstone/IAC companies I mentioned above. I am generally satisfied with the progress that is being made toward resolving my complaints.

    Tracy Glomski on April 1st, 2008 at 1:39 pm
  53. I am a little disappointed. Not one of the catalogs I requested to be removed has complied. My mailbox is still filled. Does this really work?

    Christina Russack on April 1st, 2008 at 6:06 pm
  54. Hurray! Tracy! Did you get Cornerstone/IAC to join catalogchoice since many of my opt outs are from them as Refused? (just kidding) Do you have their mail address?

    I am really hesitant to join DMA as they are not the only mailing resources giving catalog companies mailing info. Recently, I found others…..
    To Anon: Why should DMA continue to rent/sell/share ones name after numerous times of writing directly to them? Once and for all, they expect the consumer to provide credit card info to join online or send them money by mail to be told it takes time to get off their listings? They were quick to make money off our mailing info. Do you work for them?

    In Feb 08, I contacted DMA, Wash, DC by phone about a catalog Mail Preference clause that kept printing a former address they had, DMA did not have a clue and there are other catalog companies still printing this old DMA address. Also, DMA member catalog companies that provide the DMA address to contact in writing don’t disclose that it costs the consumer $ “X” amount to get a certaing amount of our names off their listings, in essence to clean up the mess they helped to create. Did you know that? By the way, where are Companies Y and Z that company X forgets to mention and their suppression listings? Consumers really need to feel that DMA and other informational agencies that make a profit with our mailing info to companies; will strongly oversee that the preferance codes they print are abided and not ignored when someone opts out of companies X,Y & Z group of catalogs. (it should not take 1-2 mailings) their marketing department is wasting money projecting consumer spending by “preprinting way in advance”.

    Suppression or opt out capabilities from all sources needs to be by address and not by name to avoid the changing in variation of names and if by request - permanently.

    The archives of catalogchoice show that the underdog is going out and actually talking to the catalog companies and being quite pleasant about it.

    After six months of the 1-2 mailing excuse for each name/address variation or even six months or longer to get off every request, I’m glad they are there to help.

    Still keep in mind the clause that catalogs print that they “occasionally exchange your mailing info with others” is a bother and worrisome issue…….. a privacy stance that I thought consumers have a right to upon request. Please take the time to think about that because catalog companies are not honoring this and continue to blatantly ignore consumer requests.

    Yvonne Camesi on April 1st, 2008 at 6:20 pm
  55. Hi, Yvonne. I simply e-mailed the companies’ customer services departments, using the information provided in their own catalogs. I wanted to test what the process would be like for any random catalog recipient. I worded my messages rather aggressively, though, because I think it’s fair to let them know I’m not foolin’ around here.

    And yes, I do have the e-mail address and phone extension number of the president of the brand that was concerning me the most. That’s assuming the info hasn’t changed, since I had to dig around until I found a 2004 executive forum document. He’s not exactly public about it, so I won’t share it here. My plan, though, was to directly contact the president first before complaining to the DMA. I might still do that in a few months if the company somehow don’t succeed in stopping the mailings. For now, I’m satisfied that my message climbed the tree far enough that they’re making a good faith effort to address it.

    Tracy Glomski on April 2nd, 2008 at 6:14 am
  56. It will be a miracle if the vendors stop just changing the customer numbers once they receive an opt-out notice. This has been a source of irritation for me. I recently moved and left absolutely no forwarding info for any catalogs. I then made a couple of purchases on-line and the merchants shared my address with the world apparently, because I now receive catalogs I had never gotten in the past. I checked with the DMA website and don’t feel I should have to pay to have my name removed from a list. Further I received a catalog with an optout website to go to printed on it. Try using that website and you get directed to a blank page. There is simply no getting around these people. I don’t think I should have to pay DMA to get off these lists.

    Shawnee Kizzire on April 2nd, 2008 at 9:15 am
  57. I’ll try to keep my comments short. My journey in getting off catalogs is not only for me. My husband and I have been receiving several catalogs for both his mother and his stepfather who passed away years ago and never lived at either address we are receiving catalogs in their names.

    I have close family that do not have the energy to deal with the gross cross linking of sharing mailing that mail suppliers and catalog companies are doing. One close to me did go in to catalogchoice blogs and was in awe about what is going on and what is being said about this runaway mail train. He said he was proud what I have said and the goal of catalogchoice to help the environment.

    So please, get others to join catalogchoice and if you independently go to the catalogs or mail suppliers do it for you and others that either have no internet access or are unable to do the opting out themselves. There are those that simply do not have the info to do something about their catalog dilema. Somewhere there will be a happy medium. Those at catalogchoice do need our support but consumers need to do their own homework too (and share it) to help themselves and provide input to catalogchoice.

    Yvonne Camesi on April 2nd, 2008 at 3:19 pm
  58. I have mobility problems with the stairs and my neighbor very kindly brings my mail to me. The catalog volume I was getting when I found catalog choice last Nov made this difficult, by January, there was a noticeable decrease in catalogs, although only 3 out of 23 have been confirmed (one was Refused, but I called the 800 # catalog choice found and gave customer # info to a “cancel catalog” voice mail). The decrease in catalogs was so dramatic that my neighbor (who is not good with computers) brought me one of HER catalogs and said, “can you do whatever you did to stop your catalogs to stop this one?”

    Lynne Powell on April 5th, 2008 at 10:54 am
  59. I write again. As of today I have opted out of 275 catalogue/name combinations.
    I have 51 confirmed, 162 unconfirmed, 13 refused, and 6 processing. I opted out of Land’s End in November, got a confirmation, reported still getting in February and received their catalog today. I called them on the phone and requested to be taken off their list. Apparently I was still on it.
    Since November, I have suggested 68 catalogues ( I admit that there are some duplicates) but have still not had a single email that one was added. I’m beginning to think that it might be more fruitful to just call each catalog and ask to be off their list. I also have noticed that we are getting some catalogues that we have opted out of, but addressed to different names. We are still getting a flood of catalogues.
    Why is this system not working?

    Dave on April 9th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
  60. We have done all the DMA opt outs, etc., but still get catalogs because I do order things online.

    This is great to be able to decline, as hopefully I won’t get back on lists just by ordering.

    Those who are trying to opt out of catalogs should also do the DMA decline (there is info online on where to send your request). I did not think there was a fee, or that you have to “join” (see above comments). We received a mailing from our county on that among other places to just mail your address to and refuse all direct marketing. I don’t recall having to provide a fee (although I see online it was $1 — I probably would have paid that), and I know I have not “joined” anything.

    I’ve had most of my catalog declines confirmed, so not sure why others having problems. We were only getting pretty mainstream catalogs however.

    We have not received any new catalogs since doing the opt out.

    In the past before Catalogchoice I would spend three dollars or so and send order forms back taking us off mailing lists. I felt 41c or whatever was cheaper than several phone calls.

    Lisa on April 9th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
  61. Dave,
    Looks like you just got your first Tshirt and it has a hole in it! (See my last blog on “Approving…”) I look back on how naive I was in September 2007 thinking, wow, it will take me just a phone call and my husband and I are off their catalogs but there are some things in my prior blogs that you need to read and tell catalog companies when you call or write & some of them came from customer service reps that were quite genuine in heart. One was so bold to admit some interesting opinions about catalogs.

    Here’s the advice that if I had known, I would have taken this stance when I made hundred plus toll free and long distance calls. The 300 plus letters written since late December 2007 clearly include much of the below concerning the “exchanging” but also state please contact the supplier of our mailing info of this request.

    -Call them after you have read their Mail Preference Policy (as mentioned before, in the center part of the catalog.)

    -Ask them if they have other companies they “exchange your mailing info” and tell them that you wish for them not to Share, Rent or Sell your mailing info and if possible advise the supplier of your info to do the same. If they say they don’t do that, document it on your mail label in the back of the catalog.

    -Suggest that they should delete by address and not by name until they devise an opt out system that lets the consumer decide what catalogs they really want. Ask them to pass that on to the appropriate office.

    Most importantly, do not yell at the reps, they just take orders, and do what they are told. They are not the decision makers.

    Since I discovered “blog”, it’s been a reality check for me. I think Tracy has been on the same track as me to find out the suppliers and the “parent companies” that have several catalogs under them. Instead of calling individual catalog companies, now I go looking for the core just to really find out -it’s a nightmare and…here I go again, catalogchoice is doing it I believe they will do it in the long run. One catalog I received yesterday took me on what seemed like a raft ride on the white river rapids until I finally found one source.

    Bottom line, I don’t really see how paying a third party to get one’s name off mailings is going to help with the many veins flowing through from the major routes.

    Catalogchoice: you’re doing good because you are free and have a environmental reason to pursue this growing paper waste. You know my email address, can you contact me? I normally would never ask but really would like to email a real body about something. This catalogchoice to person. Thanks!

    Yvonne Camesi on April 9th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
  62. First of all, thank you Catalog Choice for giving us a vehicle for addressing the issue of unsolicited catalog overload.

    Unfortunately, I guess that many of us are still receiving catalogues and I have to agree with a previous blogger, some catalog companies are quite clever about relisting someone under current resident,household etc. So I’ve gotten “sneaky” in return. I put on a “happy” telephone voice and “innocently” ask if my name and address appears on the mailing list. Of course the unsuspecting customer service rep is ALL too happy to report that “Yes, it certainly IS!”, at which point I convert to b…. mode and read them the riot act! This has worked, but it has necessitated an actual telephone call to the company. For some like Lord & Taylor, it’s even required several calls to the corporate offices…OMG, don’t ever get on THAT list! However, in spite of daily vigilance on catalogchoice.org site and some phone calls to the worst offenders, I have to say that the level of unsolicited mail IS decreasing. It’s been 4 months; I’m hoping that it will work before a new cycle of catalogues crops up six months from now.

    Deborah Gilbert on April 10th, 2008 at 7:15 am
  63. Mark me down as one more frustrated user. After several months, only 9 confirmations out of 34 requests — a success rate of just over 1/4. “Unconfirmed” seems like refusal by inaction — one might even say passive aggressive — and the result is the same as outright refusal. Disappointing to say the least.

    AK on April 12th, 2008 at 9:20 am
  64. Tell DMA that if they don’t stop. I will sell my house without a forwarding address and never buy online or from a catalog again.

    What meaningless work they are causing.

    Charles Donaldson on April 12th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
  65. Good luck, my friend. If only it was that easy!

    While you’re busy planning your escape, it’s fun to Google the term “pre-mover.” There’s a little foretaste of what you might expect. Bwahaha.

    Tracy Glomski on April 12th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
  66. Please read your mailing labels that says **Your Name** or “CURRENT RESIDENT” - you really don’t know who’s buying your house even if it’s a relative. Our other residence has a bunch of next door neighbors that remind me of National Lampooners! No I do not want to leave any prisoners (catalogs) when we sell the house I want all of the demons(mailings) OUT! Then we will kindly forward our mailing address without the evil ones (direct mailings) following us to our new residence.

    I will be nice.. DMA is not the only mail supplier out there. Catalogs do a great job within themselves of exchanging our info. If you have read my previous blogs, (I know mine are long winded but true) there are many informational systems sharing mailing info and making a tidy profit too. I’ve looked at the mailing labels, pulled up the catalog on GOOGLE, and guess what? It’s more than I expected.

    Read all of the previous blogs before asking for the Quick Fix that is not there. You, as a consumer has the right to say different.

    Here are some of your choices:

    Contact catalog companies call or write.

    Join third party companies and pay them, give your credit card # and hope.

    Wait for catalogchoice to gain a very strong momemtum. (I’m doing this and contacting catalog companies.) (my gut feeling to do this for me)

    Go SAG/Congressiional (and let them really know you want change in third party mailings) It’s election year.

    I got ziltch in the mail yesterday. I asked my husband to feel my forehead for a fever. I’m normal……. No catalogs in the mail is not natural for me but I’m doing what I have to do.

    Catalog companies that continue to exchange my mailing info will now know my next step for SAG/Congressional =my letters are being printed in advance since their catalogs of 30-100 plus pages are being printed in advance. Really think about this one.

    For catalogchoice, I would like to see much more #s of members (like a million) This will give catalogchoice a lot more bite with schmoozing merchants on board.

    Think about this one when you fall asleep at night and dream of catalogs jumping over the fence vs sheep. It bugs me too but I’ve decided not to lose sleep. One more catalog being confirmed is happiness in itself! Goodnight!

    Yvonne Camesi on April 12th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
  67. Yvonne, you are so funny!

    I have been opting out using Catalog Choice since December 2007. I have not noticed any reduction. Many of these catalogs now have new customer numbers. I am going to follow your suggestion and keep a log of catalogs names, dates received, customer number, and opt-out tracking information. I will call the worst offenders personally. I want to continue using Catalog Choice and hope they start having more clout.

    JMM on April 13th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
  68. Thank you so much JMM! You made my day. Call and mention that you do not want them to share, sell or rent your name. Doc it as well and they need to omit the “Or Current Resident” part of the mailing label.

    Saturday’s mail yielded my fourth catalog from The Lakeside Collection since December 2007, I reported the infraction and they will be hearing from me for the 4th time. This month is still showing a decline in mailings. I’m more concerned about the up and coming holiday season junk that starts getting crammed in my mailbox in September.

    Tracy, Have you heard of 41pound.org? They are another junk mail remover at $8.20 per year - 5 yrs= $41. We just heard about it. They claim the average consumer gets over 41 pounds of junk mail. If that’s the case, I’m not average, because it’s more than 100 pounds for me.

    I’ll stick to catalogchoice and my bag that catalog companies delete by address vs names.

    Yvonne Camesi on April 14th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
  69. Yvonne, Your comment about wanting a million Catalog Choice members sent me to my calculator. Very roughly, since October 2007, about 233,000 people a month have joined. (That’s very rough calculating.) So, give it another couple of months, and Catalog Choice should be very close to a million. Imagine! That’s huge!

    Another hint if you go the route of contacting direct mailers directly, on top of registering with Catalog Choice… ask each merchant who they got your personal information from.

    Mary on April 14th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
  70. Yup, Yvonne, I’ve heard of 41pounds.org, or as I like to call ‘em, 18.6 kgs. (Sorry, that’s geek humor!) It’s a bummer that your unwanted mail has been so overwhelming, and I applaud the progress you’ve made.

    Today is a landmark day at the Glom Shelter. One cataloger has just sent a conciliatory e-mail disclosing the source of my name for their most recent mailing. I had just about given up hope that this would ever happen. The response came from a prospecting Cornerstone Brand who is not currently accepting Catalog Choice opt-outs. I hope they eventually change their minds about that, but I’ve personally forgiven ‘em now that they’ve given me the information I needed.

    Here’s a bit o’ trivia: I reviewed my credit card statements for the past 12 months and discovered that I’d shopped seven times altogether with five different multichannel merchants. The average size of my orders, including shipping, was $65.77. The company who provided my name to the aforementioned Cornerstone merchant is not among the places I’ve patronized within the past year. That company has been sharing relatively old data with a cataloger who sells marginally similar but more upscale goods. The DMA considers their lists to be highly correlated—they both appeal mainly to women in their early 40s (sounds almost like me) who spend an average of $170-$185 per order (not typical of me at all).

    Tracy Glomski on April 14th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
  71. Whoops, not only was that rough calculating, that was wrong calculating! Sheesh… should have said roughly 133,000 a month.

    Mary on April 14th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
  72. Mary, When I got the hint via a very nice catalog customer service rep or “CSR” I asked several catalog companies of their sour source (I meant that) and got a lot of head scratching. They are not always willing to let that bread and butter go and in actuality, they may have no clue who the big sour source is. But, I’m betting the numbers of growing members will really soar when pre holiday season hits.

    Tracy, you’re doing good too. (I’m a geekette and still learning) the recent crowd I am hangin’ with - two little ladies that are 10 months old- act their age! I discuss mailing issues with them when I feed them and they just glare at me. I hope they will understand to not let things become a run away train! And loudly speak their minds. By the way, I like your “Whack A Mole” phrase. Somehow I feel like the mole but I’m learning to duck flying toys and catalogs. (that’s in preparing for the 24 month old booger wanting to pitch his toys and whatever at me)- wait till he gets my pitch on cataloging. And I’m not funning….Education at that young age about cataloging should be a prerequiset if only to teach his parents and grandparents!
    My favorite subject in colleges was economincs so I guess catalogomics is going to be my minor.

    Yvonne Camesi on April 14th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
  73. The service provided by CatalogChoice is fantastic and definitely works even before all the companies confirm with this site. I have seen a drastic difference in my mail and the number of catalogs that I receive under the 14 different versions of our names.

    Christeen Bernard Dur on April 15th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
  74. Had nice talk with an 8 yr old about companies A-Z with multiple sister companies that continue to “exchange mailing info”. Boy what a remark.. “They’re killing trees!” (Yepper). I suggested she ask her school to look into catalogchoice.

    The other little ladies are still glaring at me atleast they’re not throwing catalogs at me-or their food!. Got another Stauer and Charles Keith - after my 4th written request. Charles Keith CSR was very apologetic. Stauer had a wait of 5 mins that went into 10+ and I could not wait. They really do not want to see or hear the wrath of those little ladies it’s not something I wish my enemies to experience. I’m teaching them catalogomic skills for later and they are learning fast. Delete by address not by name!

    Yvonne Camesi on April 15th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
  75. “It does appear that at least one company has even removed me from their 12-month house list, successfully honoring my opt-out through Catalog Choice without any further prodding from me. Bless you for understanding, VivaTerra. I’ll be back to shop with you again. I’ll click through the Bravo Merchants page the next time I visit your website, so your marketing team can attribute my purchase with ease and clarity.”

    That was me, commenting on March 23.

    I spoke too soon. VivaTerra just sent me another catalog. So that deal is off.

    Title Nine just sent me another catalog, too. I tried to opt out directly on February 3 via e-mail, which is that company’s preferred method.

    I assume the good folks here at Catalog Choice have seen the recent “Debunking Do-Not-Mail Myths” report at MultichannelMerchant.com. Pat Kachura of the DMA accuses Catalog Choice and several others of deceptive marketing. She also claims:

    (1) Mailers would be happy to remove “insignificant” recipients from their lists. (Quotes are mine—I’m indicating the exact phrasing used in the article.)

    (2) Only 3 to 4 percent of identity theft arises from direct mailing.

    (3) Catalogs are recycled, and trees that are used to produce paper are grown as a crop.

    To which I say:

    (1) I’ve seen little evidence that mailers are happy to honor my opt-outs. I don’t know what it takes for me to be “insignificant.” I haven’t ordered from Title Nine for years. I’ve ordered exactly once from VivaTerra. I suppose that makes me “significant” in those two cases, but I’ve also had to invest considerable time and energy to rid myself of prospecting catalogs from a number of companies whose merchandise interests me not one whit. It’s been a struggle. I still have hope only because of Catalog Choice’s help.

    (2) I don’t know where the 3 to 4 percent figure comes from. Even if it’s true, that’s cold comfort to the people in the 3 to 4 percent group. But of course, the DMA would never be careless with our data, noooo…. well, except for that one teensy li’l breach this past January, huh? Nothing remotely like that could ever happen again, right?

    (3) Tree farms are not anything like the beautiful, biodiverse, old-growth forests that have been clearcut for the benefit of the industry. Equating the two is an insult to the consumer’s intelligence. Further, the recycling service in my town wouldn’t take catalogs until relatively recently. Only matte office paper was accepted, not glossy items like magazines or catalogs. I’m happy to say that’s improved, but I still have to pay for the service. I hate paying for this trash that continues to be dumped at my door against my express wishes.

    I recognize disingenuous pap when I smell it. Don’t even try to feed it to me anymore. I’m done. I’m off the hedonic treadmill, way off. Give it up, DMA. You can no longer sell me crap, either figuratively or literally.

    Tracy Glomski on May 5th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
  76. Tracy:
    We read the “Debunking Do-Not-Mail Myths” report at MultichannelMerchant.com article. We sent a note to DMA CEO, John Greco, requesting that his staff refrain from misrepresenting Catalog Choice.

    I am truly disappointed that some of the Bravo Merchants continue to mail you. Thanks for reporting those infractions here.

    It is has been almost 7 months since our launch. Some progress has been made. But much more is needed. With your help, we will prevail.

    Chuck on May 5th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
  77. Tracy, Good to hear you’re still here. I did write to a couple of Dem Senators last week about some of the ongoing catalogs in their state that sound like a battery commercial 30 catalogs in 6 months. Also went SAG on another state that keeps on ticking they sell mainly watches.

    No word on Senator Collins from ME. Funny, her state sends one of the least catalogs. She can have my Linens and Things coupons mainly they come from the newspaper anyway.

    My state senators are next to request a support for a better consumer protection law that says we are allowed to say no to unwanted mailings. That forestethics.org (hope I got the correct title)sounds good to me.

    A blog I did this past weekend resulted in my neighbor USPS guy, (by the way a nice guy) bringing over DMA info that I already had. The “Consumer pamphlet” USPS is outdated - 1998 and posts the Farmington NY address a waste of postage because DMA has not had that address for a long time. Hello DMA, MPS does that give me a lot of faith in you as a consumer to pay or subscribe for a 3 yr membership? Especially when you participated in the catalog mess. As one blogger mentioned before, it’s a shell game of name.

    DMA: delete by address. Please.

    Chuck, (DMA) is my biggest soapbox, why invite the fox into the henhouse of consumers to help us? They are not the only mail suppliers - catalogs do it among themselves too. DMA has one individual in DC that can send out the forms and they have never, never responded directly to me with my requests when I have written the Carmel address because I will not pay their “handling costs” (for what 3 years) when I wrote their Carmel NY address. Why join them? Lack of public faith and blatant irresponsibility .

    I miss many catalogs as well but the “we occasionally exchange” and “Or Current Resident” has to go. Catalog companies got too greedy and guess what, we’re paying the cost in increased postage to give catalogs a better postage rate and continue to pay with wasted paper, and recyling it to boot and the best, to pay companies that do the exchanging, sharing or renting to get us off mailings.

    Yvonne Camesi on May 5th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
  78. Chuck, I believe they’re testing. It’s working. I feel tested. And testy, for that matter.

    It’s good to see you, too, Yvonne. If I sound even more peeved than usual this evening, it’s because I’ve just returned from vacation to find these catalogs in the mailbox, when the situation had been going pretty well. In April, we went a record nine days here without receiving a single one. If the most recent catalogs are Mother’s Day mailings, they really needn’t bother. I’m not a mom, and my own mom passed nearly two decades ago. It was a sad process asking that her name be removed. Geesh, I hope no one ever has to do that for me.

    I had been gradually gearing up to file complaints at DMA regarding their members who are clearly ignoring their own guidelines. I’m now reexamining that decision once again. What’d be the point, really? If I understand correctly, Pat Kachura is ultimately in charge of resolving those. But her “myth #1″ pretty strongly implies that in this milieu, I’m worth only what I spend. If I spend nothing, I’m surely insignificant. Although it seems logical that merchants would be “happy” to cease their mailings to me, in actual practice, I’m often too insignificant for my insignificant little preferences to shake them out of their inertia. But if I spend even once, that makes me magically significant, maybe “too significant” to risk dropping my name. What kind of Catch-22 is that?

    News flash: catalogs are different from, say, a letter from a friend, someone who knows my real significance and genuinely appreciates it. Receiving catalogs does not make me feel special. My personal sense of worth is not based on mailings I receive from people I don’t know, people who only want me to buy something. My personal sense of worth, in fact, rests largely on my efforts to make my little corner of the world a better place. And it rests on my relationships with others who are similarly engaged. People who continue sending catalogs when I’ve asked otherwise are not my friends. They are contributing to the problem, not the solution. I will continue to treat the situation accordingly.

    Tracy Glomski on May 5th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
  79. Tracy, and all who have been there:

    From April 2005 til April 2007 to do 5 trips @ 2 weeks & fly cross country when my mother in law passed. Boy, is was a journey. When we got back, I cringed at the “Towers” of catalogs left in our living room by my son who took care of our house. Hundreds of catalogs and junk mailings. Had some that there was no tie to our interests or hobbies.

    This past Christmas, we received not only catalogs with mother’s name but her husband’s name and he passed over a decade before that and they had never resided at our address. How responsible is that?

    Wow Tracy, you got a vacation! I retired last fall (was very lucky) hoping for that deserved 3 weeks of fun, but I have this “job” of catagomics and the two ladies that are 11 mos and sometimes the “Terrible Two Tot” he’s ok. They are probably the only ones that really listen to my ramblings of catalogs. Food is the only thing that gets thrown at me now.

    Tracy, you are a spearhead, the corner must be a big corner and growing significantly. Sorry about your losses and the unfeeling that catalogs have shown you. Still believe our laws need to be changed so catalogchoice can make a difference.

    DMA ignored me and maybe a couple of others out there that are deserving of an official reply and apology. I will not pay to clean up the mess or support a bill that allows you to continue to blatantly hurt the consumer. Laws need to be changed to protect us from this as Tracy puts it, “whack a mole”-the consumers.

    By the way, talk to your postal service most of the catalogs and mailings you receive have to be delivered whether you refuse them or not and you do not want them to fall into unknown hands.

    Chuck: The hype I get from catalog companies and USPS (yes, I know a few postal workers) is that we as consumers will have to put up with recycling unwanted mailings and not get a choice. I’m on your side. Mail Preference Services (suppliers of mail info) do not work.

    Yvonne Camesi on May 6th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
 

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